tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post8074787621899329074..comments2024-03-26T10:31:54.453-07:00Comments on Book of Mormon setting: Fun with Cumorahjonathan3dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05379975395372054926noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post-49417994389073040622016-04-18T23:13:27.625-07:002016-04-18T23:13:27.625-07:00Ha ha, Giza - that was a funny one!You mentioned B...Ha ha, Giza - that was a funny one!<br><br>You mentioned Brant Gardner's 2015 "Traditions of the Fathers." Every time I read that title I keep wondering how he could have chosen it in light of the fact the Book of Mormon writers constantly warned us about the detrimental effects of the traditions of the fathers?! And in the preface to that nearly 500 page book, he says it is told "more concisely" than his "comprehensive" 6-volume "Second Witness: Analytical and Contextual Commentary on the Book of Mormon." Maybe... but I do not think "concise" means what he thinks it means! ;)littlerascohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615353996674116835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post-58961955466154099852016-04-18T23:13:03.583-07:002016-04-18T23:13:03.583-07:00Ha ha, Giza - that was a funny one!You mentioned B...Ha ha, Giza - that was a funny one!<br><br>You mentioned Brant Gardner's 2015 "Traditions of the Fathers." Every time I read that title I keep wondering how he could have chosen it in light of the fact the Book of Mormon writers constantly warned us about the detrimental effects of the traditions of the fathers?! And in the preface to that nearly 500 page book, he says it is told "more concisely" than his "comprehensive" 6-volume "Second Witness: Analytical and Contextual Commentary on the Book of Mormon." Maybe... but I do not think "concise" means what he thinks it means! ;)littlerascohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615353996674116835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post-91016992259478949242016-04-17T18:56:26.463-07:002016-04-17T18:56:26.463-07:00Nice one RJ! You got it just right. Do you mind if...Nice one RJ! You got it just right. Do you mind if I post your comment as a guest post? <br><br>I was going to do one on how Paul never visited Turkey (Ephesus, Galatia, Cappadocia, etc.) because he never mentioned snow and it snows there. (I know because we awoke to a serious snowstorm in Cappadocia a few weeks ago.) So the maps of Paul's travels must be wrong; he actually visited Egypt, where it never snows, and some evil translator substituted Galatia for Giza. Instead of the Epistle to the Galatians, we know it was originally the Epistle to the Gizans because Paul never mentioned snow.<br><br>That's how ridiculous the Mesoamerican seers have gotten with their snow refrain.<br><br>:)jonathan3dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379975395372054926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post-83661590451286666932016-04-14T19:29:28.594-07:002016-04-14T19:29:28.594-07:00The thinking exercises to come of with this criter...The thinking exercises to come of with this criterion was shallow at best. I'm sorry, Mr. Palmer, but golly gee willikers! You made up some stuff!<br><br> I've thought about the weather quite a bit here, but it can't be inferred like this. The data presented in the Book of Mormon could not provide any such conclusion on weather-- I agree, all signs point to some sort of slippery-slope assumption with little to no peer review. It's funny, you gotta "Winchester" the facts just justify a Winchester!<br><br>I wonder what it the Book of Mormon could be like if it did have weather involed? <br><br>For the North American Setting:<br><br>"And it came to pass in the 17th year of the reign of the judges, it snowed in the winter, and it was sunny in the summer time, and the Lamenites and Zoramites began to make preparation for war against the people of Ammon... And then it came to pass in the 18th year, it snowed in the winter and it was sunny in the summertime, and rained a little more than usual by the hill cumorah, but it didn't rain that much by the river sidon, but there was still some flooding by the land of Nephi, and in the fall time all the leaves looked so pretty." <br><br>For the Central American Setting: <br><br>"And it came to pass that it rained everyday in the afternoon for four moons out of the year... and it came to pass in the next year it rained every day in the afternoon for four moons out of the year." <br><br>Don't rag on me about the central american one, I lived there for a few years. It's either hot or it rains.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464871210618980262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post-90164458800890775082016-04-14T14:08:39.098-07:002016-04-14T14:08:39.098-07:00Yes, your friend exemplifies the approach taken by...Yes, your friend exemplifies the approach taken by the Mesoamerican seers. They don't dare read actual facts and rational argument. They're not used to it if they've been reading FARMS, FairMormon, etc. Many times I've offered to discuss all of this with them, and they nearly always refuse. Even those who agree to discuss it usually only want to try to convince me why they're right--without addressing the facts. I've yet to find a single one who will engage seriously with the issues I've identified. When you try to talk with them, if they respond at all, it is by grumbling among their friends or in a forum, or maybe if you're lucky they'll write a ridiculous article in the Interpreter.<br>But that doesn't stop us from continuing to try to bring reason and unity to the endeavor. Fortunately there are thousands of people reading these blogs, growing all the time. Keep spreading the news.jonathan3dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05379975395372054926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6275804374019732213.post-30508413792742364752016-04-14T13:37:03.398-07:002016-04-14T13:37:03.398-07:00Great post! This certainly ought to cause those wi...Great post! This certainly ought to cause those with "Mesoamerican lenses" to squirm. <br><br>I fear though that those with such lenses, and who ought to relish this challenge to their "worldview" will never read it. As one friend of mine at FAIRMORMON stated recently (paraphrasing), "I won't waste my time with Neville and other Heartlanders peddling their 'snake oil'."Steven Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291046612560917501noreply@blogger.com