BOOK OF MORMON SETTING. Many Latter-day Saints still believe what the prophets have taught about the New York Cumorah/Ramah. President Nelson: "Good inspiration is based upon good information." Here, we share good information from original sources that corroborates the prophets. We support the Church policy of neutrality, which promotes unity by recognizing multiple working hypotheses. We encourage all interested parties to do the same, all in the pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding.
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Thursday, November 20, 2025
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Wednesday, November 19, 2025
End of M2C and psychology
The pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding proceeds nicely for those who have an open mind, who value transparency, and who embrace the FAITH analysis, distinguishing Facts from Assumptions, Inferences, Theories and Hypotheses.
Another way to say it: If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
Here's another way to express the value of flexibility in the pursuit of truth:
Monday, September 2. There is much folly, when I am quite sure I am in the right, and others are positive in contradicting me, in entering into a vehement or long debate upon it.
Monday, September 23. I observe that old men seldom have any advantage of new discoveries; because these are beside a way of thinking they have been so long used to. Resolved, if ever I live to years, that I will be impartial to hear the reasons of all pretended discoveries, and receive them, if rational, how long soever I have been used to another way of thinking.
Monday, Feb. 3. Let every thing have the value now, that it will have on a sick bed; and frequently in my pursuits of whatever kind, let this come into my mind; “How much shall I value this on my deathbed?”
Monday, November 17, 2025
D&C 132
This topic of Section 132 relates to the Come Follow Me lesson. I posted comments on lds historical narratives here:
https://www.ldshistoricalnarratives.com/2025/11/corroborating-josephs-production-of-d.html
Somewhat related to the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon, I did a review of another Interpreter article, this one on D&C 132, here:
https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/11/more-stylometry-d-132.html
Let's all hope that at some point, LDS scholars will focus on what Joseph and Oliver said about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon, not what their detractors claimed.
And definitely not what certain modern scholars think, especially those who claim to know more than Joseph and Oliver did about those topics.
:)
Monday, November 10, 2025
Perpetuating errors
The Deseret News reported about a BYU professor who discovered a significant error in translations of the Bible that was perpetuated for centuries.
A BYU researcher has conclusively recovered the name of the woman who received the New Testament letter known as 2 John, according to a new book.
Meet Electa, an early Christian woman whose identity was concealed for nearly 2,000 years due to corrupted Greek texts and centuries of New Testament commentaries that mistakenly believed the original writer called her only “an elect lady.”
Her name has been considered a mystery because scribes copying original Greek texts accidentally dropped two letters, says Lincoln Blumell, associate dean of research in the BYU Department of Ancient Scripture.
Part of the problem was that every study of the past 150 years universally accepted the mistake without questioning the manuscript texts.
Everyone should read the full article, at https://www.deseret.com/education/2025/11/08/stunning-find-meet-the-missing-woman-in-the-bible-rediscovered-by-a-byu-researcher/
Now that the error has been corrected, we wonder how it was perpetuated for so long?
From the article:
The lesson is that scholars should avoid repeating what others write without testing it, Blumell said.
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That lesson would go a long way to correcting errors that have "crept in" regarding the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon.
Instead, many promising young LDS scholars merely repeat what their teachers have told them. That's why we see SITH and M2C persisting.
Maybe this example of how to correct long-held beliefs can prompt young LDS scholars to think for themselves and avoid repeating what their predecessors have written without testing...
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Another ramification of the error was how it led to "wild theories."
The mistake also led to centuries of wild theories in biblical studies, Blumell said. Some argued the unnamed elect lady might be Mary, the mother of Jesus, or Martha, the sister of Lazarus and Mary.
One said it might be a love letter. Some even argued the letter was fictional.
“No,” Blumell said, “the Greek just got corrupted. I give dozens of examples of the same kind of error occurring in early Christian manuscripts or papyri, where two are duplicated letters get dropped.”
We can all see the parallel to today's situation in which Latter-day Saint scholars have (i) erased what Joseph and Oliver taught about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon and (ii) developed "wild theories" about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon.
This table shows the parallel between the Deseret News article and the teachings of certain modern LDS scholars and their followers.
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2 John and Electa |
Origin and setting of the Book of Mormon |
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The
mistake also led to centuries of wild theories in biblical studies, Blumell
said. |
The
mistake also led to decades of wild theories about the origin and setting of
the Book of Mormon. |
|
Some argued
the unnamed elect lady might be Mary, the mother of Jesus, or Martha, the
sister of Lazarus and Mary. One said it
might be a love letter. Some even argued the letter was fictional. |
Some argued
the Hill Cumorah might be in Mexico (M2C), or Baja, or anywhere else except
western New York. Some even argued the Hill Cumorah was fictional. Some argued
that Joseph Smith did not really translate the engravings on the plates with
the Urim and Thummim that came with the plates, as he and Oliver always said,
but instead Joseph read words off a stone in the hat (SITH) without even referring
to the plates. |
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“No,” Blumell
said, “the Greek just got corrupted. I give dozens of examples of the same
kind of error occurring in early Christian manuscripts or papyri, where two
are duplicated letters get dropped.” |
No, the
scholars just ignored, forgot and/or repudiated what Joseph and Oliver said
about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon and the narrative just got
corrupted. There is abundant extrinsic evidence that corroborates what they
said. |
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