long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Tuesday, November 5, 2024

VOTE today

If you're an American and you haven't already voted today, be sure to vote!

I rarely if ever discuss politics on this blog. Unlike many others, I don't think the discussion about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon has anything to do with American politics.

I post political stuff here:

https://rationalpoliticalpositions.blogspot.com/

However, thousands of people read this blog and I think that, for Americans, voting is a civic duty that everyone should take seriously.

Much of the political dialog in the US is a distraction from the core issues and policies that affect us all on a daily basis. Many of these policies directly implicate the progress of people individually, society generally, and the advancement of the Restoration specifically. 

I also find it fascinating to see how so many people are polarized because of the media they consume. Democrats and Republicans both promote narratives based on fake news, hoaxes, and innuendo, all of which succeed to the extent that the consumers of their narratives are unaware of relevant facts and are thus unable to make informed decisions.

I'm fine with people believing whatever they want, of course. I just encourage people to make informed decisions.

The political divisions in the US are similar to the divisions among Latter-day Saints regarding the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon. Those who promote a particular agenda typically seek to control their followers by denying them relevant facts, conflating assumptions with facts, etc. That's why I'd like to see politicians, as well as LDS intellectuals, apply the FAITH model of analysis instead of resorting to misleading tactics to promote their respective agendas.

https://nomorecontention.blogspot.com/p/the-faith-model-of-analysis.html

And that's why I seek clarity, charity and understanding in the pursuit of no more contention, whereby we can all make informed decisions while recognizing multiple working hypotheses.

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I posted the following on FB the other day and got a variety of responses, so I thought I might as well post it here, too, if only to generate a discussion.

I don't talk about politics on Facebook, but I'm fascinated that this election is supposedly close. I'm optimistic that we're about to enter the Golden Age, with these elements:
- Make America Healthy Again with RFK Jr. solving the problems of abuse and corruption at the FDA, NIH, USDA, etc., including the regulatory capture problems in the pharma and food industries.
- DOGE (Dept. of Government Efficiency) with Elon Musk, Ron Paul, and others reorganizing the federal government to make it effective, efficient, and responsive to voters.
- Secure borders with plentiful legal immigration of people who want to be Americans and want to contribute positively.
- Dismantling of the military-industrial complex that promotes wars around the world.
- Reemphasis on common sense law enforcement, regulation, economic policies, energy production, etc.
- Focus on productivity, optimism, and enthusiasm for the future through technology and traditional values (including family values).



Monday, November 4, 2024

Scripture Central repudiates the prophets: Instagram

This week in Come Follow Me, millions of Latter-day Saints read Mormon 1-6, which includes the passages in Mormon 6 about the hill Cumorah. 

Directly referring to this chapter, President Oliver Cowdery wrote about the hill where Joseph found the plates and the hill a mile to the west, explaining 

"the fact that here, between these hills, the entire power and national strength of both the Jaredites and Nephites were destroyed. By turning to the 529th and 530th pages of the book of Mormon [Mormon 6 in today's edition] you will read Mormon’s account of the last great struggle of his people, as they were encamped round this hill Cumorah. In this valley fell the remaining strength and pride of a once powerful people, the Nephites....From the top of this hill, Mormon, with a few others, after the battle, gazed with horror upon the mangled remains of those who, the day before, were filled with anxiety, hope or doubt.... This hill, by the Jaredites, was called Ramah: by it, or around it pitched the famous army of Coriantumr their tents."

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90

While this passage is fresh on the minds of Latter-day Saints around the world, look at what Scripture Central is doing.

Scripture Central is trying to persuade not only Latter-day Saints, but the entire world, to disbelieve the teachings of the prophets about Cumorah.

They are doing their best to saturate social media with the message that the prophets were wrong about Cumorah, directly attacking the credibility and reliability of Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and their successors in Church leadership.

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Here's the script from their instagram post (in blue) with my commentary (in red):

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBxBxVLM7DO/?igsh=MWh3cThoMGR6Mmlyag%3D%3D

There’s a good chance this is not the Hill Cumorah of the Book of Mormon.

Oliver Cowdery, as Assistant President of the Church, explained it is a fact that this is the Hill Cumorah/Ramah of the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith and every other prophet/apostle who has ever addressed the topic has reiterated what Oliver explained. 

Yet Scripture Central wants to persuade Latter-day Saints that the prophets are wrong because, according to the scholars at Scripture Central, "there's a good chance" they were wrong.

Yes, we call it the Hill Cumorah today, and yes, that’s where Joseph Smith found the gold plates, but no, it does not necessarily mean that New York is where the Book of Mormon final battle took place and here’s why.

This is a straw man fallacy because no one says Cumorah is in New York solely because we call it that today or because that's where Joseph found the gold plates. 
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To understand this, we have to carefully distinguish what the Book of Mormon says about the Hill Cumorah and what church history says about the hill in New York.

There's no need to "carefully distinguish" between the text and Church history because they are perfectly consistent. What we should do is "carefully distinguish" between the teachings of the prophets and the teachings of the scholars at Scripture Central.
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The Book of Mormon’s Hill Cumorah is where the final Nephite battle took place. It’s also where a larger repository of Nephite plates were located, but the Book of Mormon says that after the battle, Moroni fled and wandered for another 30 years before depositing the plates for Joseph Smith to find in New York in the 1820s.

The text does not say Moroni fled. It says he wandered and continued to write on the plates.  

"And I, Moroni, will not deny the Christ; wherefore, I wander whithersoever I can for the safety of mine own life. Wherefore, I write a few more things, contrary to that which I had supposed..." (Moroni 1:3–4)

The definition of "wander" is not to undergo a long journey to a specific destination. Instead, the word means "To move about without a definite destination or purpose," :To rove; to ramble here and there without any certain course or object in view."

Moroni naturally evaded the Lamanites, but he never said or implied that he traveled a great distance. Instead, when he appeared to Joseph Smith, Moroni told Joseph "this record was written and deposited not far from" Joseph's home near Palmyra. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/69 

Moroni did not say the record was written thousands of miles away and then transported to New York to be deposited in the hill near Joseph's home. 

In the first sentence in Ether Moroni explained "And now I, Moroni, proceed to give an account of those ancient inhabitants who were destroyed by the hand of the Lord upon the face of this north country." (Ether 1:1) He was writing "in this north country."

Lucy Mack Smith reported that during his first meeting with Joseph, Moroni told him "the record is on a side hill on the Hill of Cumorah 3 miles from this place remove the Grass and moss and you will find a large flat stone pry that up and you will find the record under it laying on 4 pillars."

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1844-1845/41

So in theory, Moroni could have traveled quite a distance over the course of the years before depositing the plates elsewhere.

"In theory," sure. In the imagination of the scholars at Scripture Central, any theory is possible. But the direct statements of Moroni don't support their theory that Moroni traveled thousands of miles from their supposed "real Cumorah" in Mexico to western New York.

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What most people don’t realize, is that Latter-day Saints didn’t start calling the site in New York “Cumorah” until 10 years after Joseph first learned of the plates.

This is patently false. During their mission to the Lamanites in 1830, Oliver explained to the Indians that it was Moroni himself who called the hill Cumorah. Lucy Mack Smith reported that it was Moroni himself who called the hill Cumorah the first time he met Joseph in 1823, and that Joseph referred to the hill as Cumorah in early 1827 before he even got the plates. David Whitmer first heard the word Cumorah in 1829 from the messenger who was taking the abridged plates to Cumorah. This was when David was taking Joseph and Oliver to Fayette, before Joseph translated the plates of Nephi in Fayette.

Here's a key point. Scripture Central wants people to believe that because there are no contemporaneous records from 1823 referring to Cumorah, we can't believe any of the later recollections. But there are zero contemporaneous records of any of the early events, including the First Vision, Moroni's visits, the recovery of the plates, or even the restoration of the Priesthood. We have to rely on the credibility and reliability of the recollections of the participants for all of these events.

By casting doubt on the reliability and credibility of the recollections and statements of Oliver Cowdery, Lucy Mack Smith, David Whitmer, and others, Scripture Central casts doubt on all of the early events of the Restoration.

The scholars at Scripture Central are so enamored with their theories of Book of Mormon geography that they eagerly undermine the Restoration itself to shift the focus from the prophets to their own theories.

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Beginning in the mid-1830s, early Latter-day Saints such as William W. Phelps and Oliver Cowdery started calling the place where the plates had been found the “Hill Cumorah.” 

False again. Oliver taught about Cumorah during his mission to the Lamanites in 1830. What began in the mid-1830s was the formal published history of the Restoration, written by Oliver Cowdery with the assistance of Joseph Smith, in which Oliver declared it was a fact that Cumorah was in New York in response to critics who claimed the Book of Mormon was fiction.

After this, the name “Hill Cumorah” stuck and soon became a convenient name among the Saints for this location.

If the name "stuck" it was because Joseph Smith reaffirmed it. Joseph recognized the importance of this published account by having it copied into his personal journal as part of his life story and by having it republished in the Gospel Reflector, the Millennial Star, the Times and Seasons, and The Prophet (the New York newspaper edited by his brother William). Oliver's explanation of early Church history, including the fact of Cumorah, was more frequently published during Joseph's lifetime than any other account. 
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As far as we know, “the Prophet Joseph Smith himself only associated the hill in New York with the Cumorah in the Book of Mormon towards the end of his life,” such as in the 1842 revelation now known as Doctrine and Covenants 128. 

In D&C 128, Joseph explained that he learned the name Cumorah before he received and translated the plates, just as his mother related. "Glad tidings from Cumorah! Moroni, an angel from heaven, declaring the fulfilment of the prophets—the book to be revealed." (Doctrine and Covenants 128:20)

Scripture Central's "theory" insists that Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Lucy Mack Smith, Joseph Smith himself, and all of Joseph's contemporaries and successors misled the Church, the Latter-day Saints, and the world as a whole about the hill Cumorah/Ramah.

It’s unclear “whether the Prophet…came to use the name “Cumorah” by revelation or by conveniently accepting a common usage circulating among early Church members.”

The historical record is clear and unambiguous that Joseph learned the name Cumorah directly from Moroni the first time they met. Joseph reaffirmed this in D&C 128:20 and his mother quoted what Moroni told him, which she could have learned only from Joseph himself. 

As we see in this Instagram post, Scripture Central resorts to censorship and misdirection to confuse and mislead Latter-day Saints by rejecting the historical record and the teachings of the prophets. 

Scripture Central constantly seeks to exalt the theories of their scholars above the teachings of the prophets.

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Well-informed Latter-day Saints are able to see for themselves what these scholars are doing. Fortunately, more and more Latter-day Saints are learning about the teachings of the prophets and are choosing those teachings instead of the musings and theories of the scholars at Scripture Central who directly and proudly repudiate the teachings of the prophets in favor of their own theories.

Sunday, November 3, 2024

Where is Cumorah? Church History Museum answers

Where is Cumorah? 

It's very simple, if you still believe the prophets.

Church History Museum, Salt Lake City


Display of Church history


Where is the Hill Cumorah located?



In Palmyra, New York
(three miles from Joseph Smith's home)
















Friday, November 1, 2024

Scripture Central's latest ridiculous video

In their fierce determination to persuade Latter-day Saints to reject what the prophets have taught about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon, Scripture Central released one of the most ridiculous videos yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHxjIunNJ8M


We'll analyze it in detail next week, all in the pursuit of clarity, charity, and understanding.

(In this case, "ridiculous" is the most charitable adjective available. It's difficult to believe that Scripture Central is trying to be serious when they release material such as this.)


Thursday, October 31, 2024

Magical M2C Mystery Tour

The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour
Recently I've been listening to Paul McCartney's podcasts about his songs. One delightful episode involves the "Magical Mystery Tour" song and its accompanying film.

He explained that the Magical Mystery Tour song and movie were based on "mystery tours" that people took when he was growing up. People would get on a bus, not knowing where they were going. 

Usually the bus just went to Blackpool on the sea. But that was still exciting for the people who had little money but could still pay for the inexpensive "mystery tours."


Ken Kesey's bus with
the Merry Pranksters
For the album and movie, the Beatles combined the idea of the "Mystery tour" from Liverpool with the author Ken Kesey's psychedelic bus ride from the 1960s.

A core group of 14 people joined Kesey and became the 'Merry Band of Pranksters' that drove across the country in 1964.



I was reminded of this when I saw reports about the Interpreter Foundation's "Mesoamerica Tour," which I affectionately think of as the "Magical M2C Mystery Tour."

[As we all know by now, M2C is the acronym for the "Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory" that rejects what the prophets have taught about the hill Cumorah/Ramah in New York.]

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Here's the main website for the Magical M2C Mystery Tour.

https://interpreterfoundation.org/study/study-travel/mesoamerica-2024/

Images from the Magical M2C Mystery Tour

The tour is hosted by Brant Gardner, a great guy, faithful Latter-day Saint, prolific author and careful scholar who is effective at promoting M2C. 

Some of the most prominent M2Cers are participating, including Blake Joseph Allen, Dan Peterson, Steve Densley, and Larry Ainsworth. 

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As I've often repeated, I'm fine with people believing whatever they want. It's cool that people are so passionate about their beliefs. 

I'm not cool when passion leads to censorship, however. I much prefer the pursuit of clarity, charity, and understanding, which, in my view, leads to "no more contention" (Mosiah 1:1).

Unfortunately, the M2Cers disagree about that pursuit.

In the pursuit of clarity, we'll discuss the Magical M2C Mystery Tour in more detail in upcoming posts.




Wednesday, October 30, 2024

Tragedy in Baalbeck

Apparently the ancient Lebanese city of Baalbek is being attacked now.


The article includes this image:


We all hope that the antiquities there are not destroyed.

When I was in Lebanon years ago, we visited Baalbek. I bought this memento, a curved metal shield that is about 12 inches in diameter:



I still have a piece of shrapnel from an Israeli bomb, along with fossilized seashells that the bomb uncovered, that I collected on the top of a mountain in Lebanon. 

Lebanon is a fabulous place. The people are wonderful. Let's all hope that the scourge of hatred based on the "traditions of the fathers" will vanish with the rising generations.

Monday, October 28, 2024

Moroni's America 2nd Edition - podcast


Last weekend we released the Second Edition of Moroni's America. This edition has lots of new material, including new insights and information accumulated over the eight years since the first edition was published.

The book contains QR codes for bonus material, including interviews, as well as links to online references and material that we couldn't fit into the book.

One of the key points is the discussion of how the Book of Mormon is "a type and a shadow" for every nation in the world. While America was Lehi's promised land, in our day every nation is the gathering place and the promised land for the people who live there. 

Thus, the promises and covenants set forth in the Book of Mormon apply to every nation and people. This is why the Book of Mormon is relevant to people everywhere as they "liken the scriptures" to themselves.

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Yesterday the Stick of Joseph podcast released an awesome episode about the new book, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6DpUQfL_1w&t=1512s





Wednesday, October 23, 2024

Moroni's America - Eight years later

This Friday and Saturday I'm speaking at the Book of Mormon Evidence conference in Eagle Mountain, Utah. 

On Friday, my topic is "Moroni's America - Eight years later." We're releasing a second edition of the book, which has lots of new material in it, such as the concept of the Book of Mormon as a "type and shadow" of the promises available to people and nations everywhere in the world. While America was Lehi's promised land, in our day, every nation is, or can be, a promised land for the people who live there. This is what makes the Book of Mormon relevant to people everywhere in the world.

As part of the presentation, we'll also discuss No More Contention through clarity, charity and understanding.

You can see the schedule here:

https://bookofmormonevidence.org/presenters/


Discovering Cumorah is in western New York after all


Friday, October 18, 2024

Go vote

 

Go vote - this one matters. Focus on policies, not people. Vote for freedom, entrepreneurship, meritocracy. Vote against serfdom, censorship, bureaucracy. Go vote.

Thursday, October 17, 2024

America known in Europe in the 1300s

Following up on the Columbus post, there is evidence that people in Europe knew about North America 150 years before Columbus sailed to the western hemisphere.

Here is the abstract of an article on the subject from this journal:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00822884.2021.1943792

Marckalada: The First Mention of America in the Mediterranean Area (c. 1340)

Pages 88-106 | Published online: 16 Jul 2021


Abstract

The Cronica universalis written by the Milanese friar Galvaneus Flamma (it. Galvano Fiamma, d. c. 1345) contains an astonishing reference to a terra que dicitur Marckalada, situated west from Greenland. This land is recognizable as the Markland mentioned by some Icelandic sources and identified by scholars as some part of the Atlantic coast of North America. Galvaneus’s reference, probably derived by oral sources heard in Genoa, is the first mention of the American continent in the Mediterranean region, and gives evidence of the circulation (out of the Nordic area and 150 years before Columbus) of narratives about lands beyond Greenland. This article provides a transcription of the passage, explains its context in the Cronica universalis, compares it to the other (Nordic) references of Markland, and discusses the possible origin of Galvaneus’s mention of Markland in light of Galvaneus’s biography and working method.


Here is a recent summary:

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/america-was-actually-discovered-150-years-before-christopher-columbus/

Wednesday, October 16, 2024

Depolarizing within and the Interpreter's movies

In the pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding, there is an excellent NPR article that discusses a program from Braver Angels called "Depolarizing within." We provided an excerpt here:

https://nomorecontention.blogspot.com/2024/10/depolarizing-within.html

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As part of the depolarization effort, I note that the Interpreter Foundation has been promoting its latest movie, Six Days in August. I haven't seen it (it doesn't play where I live).

Info is available at this website: https://witnessesfilm.com/

In the pursuit of clarity, that website reminds us of their Witnesses movie, the one that promoted SITH and the bizarre Martin Harris stone-swapping story.

I discussed it in the spirit of clarity, charity and understanding at the "Fun with SITH" blog, here:

https://funwithsith.blogspot.com/2024/10/the-interpreters-witnesses-film.html

For those who don't remember the Witnesses movie, the scholars at the Interpreter used the film as a vehicle to promote their SITH narrative. They didn't just ignore what Joseph and Oliver said about the translation; they explicitly repudiated what they said.

Here's an example, with the closed caption from the film.


As expected, although they showed David Whitmer leaving Fayette to pick up Joseph and Oliver, they altered the historical sources and omitted the encounter with the messenger who was taking the plates to Cumorah.

While undoubtedly acting with what they think are the best of intentions, the Interpreter remains determined to keep the Latter-day Saints in ignorance about what Joseph and Oliver taught regarding the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon.

Monday, October 14, 2024

Columbus vs Cabot

Today is Columbus Day.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2024/10/11/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2024/

Last week I was in Nova Scotia, which reminded me about the discovery of North America by John Cabot.

highway from Bay of Fundy, Nova Scotia
(click to enlarge)

Many Latter-day Saints think that Nephi was referring to Columbus in this passage.

12 And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land. 

(1 Nephi 13:12)

It's a reasonable interpretation that makes sense, but other interpretations are also reasonable. And it doesn't really tell us much about history or geography, other than our inference that Nephi saw future Europeans coming to the Western Hemisphere.

Nevertheless, some M2Cers (promoters of the Mesoamerican/two-Cumorahs theory) claim that this identification of Columbus as the "man among the Gentiles" who "went forth... unto the seed of my brethren" means that the Book of Mormon events took place in Mesoamerica because Columbus never reached North America, per se.

It's an irrational argument for several reasons. 

1. Regardless of where Nephi and his descendants lived during through 400 AD, the "seed of [his] brethren" undoubtedly migrated far and wide, intermarried with other indigenous people, etc. Thus, if the prophets were correct about the New York Cumorah, by 1492 (over 1,000 years after the Cumorah battle) the "seed of [Nephi's] brethren" would be found throughout the Western Hemisphere. No matter where Columbus landed in the Western Hemisphere, he would have encountered the "seed of [Nephi's] brethren."

2. The passage doesn't say the "man among the Gentiles" was the first to "discover" the Western Hemisphere. Even if that is implied, there is evidence that Europeans "discovered" the Western Hemisphere long before Columbus, any of whom fit the description in verse 12.

Verse 12 is part of a larger passage.

10 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld many waters; and they divided the Gentiles from the seed of my brethren.

 11 And it came to pass that the angel said unto me: Behold the wrath of God is upon the seed of thy brethren.

12 And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land.

 13 And it came to pass that I beheld the Spirit of God, that it wrought upon other Gentiles; and they went forth out of captivity, upon the many waters.

14 And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten.

(1 Nephi 13:10–14)

3. Verse 12 works as a description of John Cabot as well as Columbus. Cabot, of course, landed somewhere in North America. 




Map by Evan T Jones - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=54725020




For more info on Cabot, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cabot

4. There is evidence that Columbus was Jewish, not Gentile.

https://www.sciencealert.com/dna-reveals-a-surprise-twist-about-christopher-columbus

Although verse 12 might accommodate Columbus as a Jew ("a man among the Gentiles"), verse 13 refers to "other Gentiles," which wouldn't make sense if the "man among the Gentiles" was not himself a Gentile. 

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While we have come to expect our M2C friends to us Columbus as evidence that the prophets were wrong about Cumorah, it's easy to see that their arguments are irrational. We can all recognize that whether or not verse 12 refers to Columbus, it doesn't change the teachings of the prophets about the New York Cumorah.

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BTW, the Bay of Fundy is famous for having the highest tides in the world. In one area they've measured tides up to 53 feet. On the Oregon coast, the highest tides we get are about 10 feet.

https://www.bayoffundy.com/about/highest-tides/

Low tide in the Bay of Fundy 
(click to enlarge)