Friday, February 24, 2017

Cumorah and Windmills

It's difficult to believe, I know, but people are actually on an expedition to find the "real" Cumorah in southern Mexico.

I like and respect the people on this escapade, but seriously...

This has the makings for another classic in literature. Don Quixote, the sequel.

Check it out:

Warren Aston (Brisbane, Australia) The Best Scout sud today, Kirk Magleby (American Fork, Utah, USA), Executive Director of book of Mormon Central, Javier Tovar (Atotonilco de Tula, Mexico) renowned archaeologist sud and Douglas Christensen (Twin Falls, EU) Director of book of Mormon Archaeology news, are currently working on, in the state of veracruz, Mexico for the purpose of: (1.) to follow up the issue of book of Mormon central done in October 2016 That investigated seven potential sites for the hill ramah / Cumorah. (2.) consolidate the criteria for the hill ramah / Cumorah. (3.) to develop a model for future expeditions to other sites of interest. (4.) determine the probability that the hill lookout or the cerro san martín pajapan is the hill ramah / Cumorah. #Bruce #SUD #LDS #JESUS CHRIST #LIBRODEMORMÓN

Progress report for Thursday pm, February 23, 2017 for Book of Mormon Central/BMAF expedition: We have gathered evidence, mostly comparing the landscape with the text, that the Hill Ramah/Cumorah is most likely in the Tuxtla mountain range in the state of Veracruz. We are satisfied that it is one of two dominant hills which satisfy the requirements of the Jaredite march "by the Hill Cumorah, then across to Ablom by the sea." Yesterday we met with a town "elder" designated as a historian. His info was fascinating and confirming of much of the required parameters in the text. We also took an exploratory boat ride in the bays of the Gulf of Mexico east of these hills. Tomorrow we finish our week by traversing as much territory as possible around both hills

Wednesday, February 22, 2017

The first principle

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.” – Richard P. Feynman

In case you don't want to click on the link, check out the topics of this conference of the Mesoamerican activists club.*

* Taylor's topic looks great. The rest...

Thursday, February 9, 2017

"that narrative takes place largely in Mesoamerica"

Typical comment from the New Yorker:

In the case of the Book of Mormon, only in 1986 did a prophet, Ezra Taft Benson, order that Mormons study the book closely. “The drama of authorship, of the book’s discovery and its translation,” Steinberg writes, “was for many years the story, the thing that bewitched readers, the thing that made people’s blood boil.” The fact of its existence—an original American scripture—mattered more to its early audience than the narrative it contained. As it happens, that narrative takes place largely in Mesoamerica, and for some current-day Mormons, Mayan ruins have become a place of pilgrimage. Many centuries before Columbus, the Book of Mormon tells us, ocean-faring Hebrews set sail from Jerusalem and landed in Mesoamerica. In “The Lost Book of Mormon,” Steinberg tags along with a tour group to Guatemala and southern Mexico—or, as the Book calls them, the Lands of Nephi and Zarahemla.

A visit to the National Museum of Guatemala offers a fascinating glimpse of Mormon exegesis at work in the field. In one gallery, on a Mayan altar adorned with symbols, a tour guide points out a glyph that could be interpreted as meaning “and it came to pass.” To the pilgrims, this is hugely significant, because “and it came to pass” is the most famous recurring phrase in the Book of Mormon, with a thousand three hundred and eighty-one appearances. Few paragraphs begin without it. To Mormon detractors, Steinberg notes, it’s a telling verbal tic that strongly suggests “a weak ventriloquism of biblical idiom.” For believers, the incessant repetition of the phrase is “like a charming quirk of one’s beloved.” And, more than that, it’s a sign—it must be, given that it appears in scripture. To readers of faith, Steinberg writes, “everything, every mystery, every slightly odd detail, would eventually reveal something.”

Citation cartel spin on Zelph

Today sent out an email to all its contact people about Zelph. They sent this link to the Godfrey article: which they recently uploaded to their archive.

Godfrey is skeptical of the Zelph account as you can see from the highlighted portion of the abstract:

When the twenty men who formed the vanguard of Zion's Camp left Kirtland, Ohio, on 1 May 1834, they could not know that one of their most lasting and intriguing contributions to Latter-day Saint history would take place, not on a Missouri battlefield but rather on top of a large mound in Illinois. There, on 3 June 1834, members of Zion's Camp located a few bones, including a broken femur and an arrowhead, approximately a foot below the earth's surface, and these remains became the catalyst for revelation to Joseph Smith regarding the skeleton's identity. Joseph called the land "the plains of the Nephites." They believed that the mounds had belonged to "that once beloved people," and they interpreted the mere fact that skulls and bones were readily found as evidence of the divine authenticity of the book.

Godfrey repeats the citation cartel's insistence that Joseph Smith wrote the 1841 Bernhisel letter, of which there is zero evidence. Joseph didn't sign it, he never mentioned it, and all the historical evidence points to Wilford Woodruff as the author. But the citation cartel will never tell you that.

Godfrey also repeats the citation cartel's insistence that Joseph Smith wrote, edited, or approved of the anonymous Times and Seasons articles that claimed the Book of Mormon took place in Central America.

The Godfrey article articulates the basic position of the citation cartel that Joseph Smith didn't know anything about the Book of Mormon, that he speculated, that he misled the Church about Cumorah, and that he changed his mind over time. "Evidently Joseph Smith’s views on this matter were open to further knowledge. Thus in 1834, when Zelph was found, Joseph believed that the portion of America over which they had just traveled was “the plains of the Nephites” and that their bones were “proof’of the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. By 1842 he evidently believed that the events in most of Nephite history took place in Central America."

Godfrey's skepticism fits the narrative of the citation cartel, so of course Book of Mormon Central would add this article to their archive while excluding other views.

And, of course, FairMormon does the same thing here:


If you want a perspective alternative to that of the citation cartel, you can read this article by Donald Q. Cannon, which of course Book of Mormon Central does not add to their archive because it doesn't fit their narrative:

Tuesday, February 7, 2017

What can I say more?

You've probably noticed we haven't posted much on this blog for a while. The few posts we've made make the point: BookofMormonCentral, which purports to be a repository for all research and evidence about the Book of Mormon, is really BookofMormonCentralAmerica.

It's not even in disguise.

They outright refuse to show any alternatives to their Central America theory of Book of Mormon geography.

BookofMormonCentral is a sham, basically.

I've done everything I know of to try to work with them and encourage them to at least let people know there are alternatives to their Central American theories, but without success. They are intransigent.

They are teaching the world--including the youth of the Church--the following:

1. There are two Cumorahs: Mormon's Cumorah in southern Mexico (Mormon 6:6), and what they consider to be the "fake Cumorah" in New York, which was mistakenly named by unknown early Church members and is now known to the citation cartel as Moroni's Cumorah. The idea that the hill in New York is the Cumorah 6:6 is a false tradition. You can see this on display in the North Visitors Center on Temple Square today.

2. Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery misled the Church about Cumorah being in New York for a century. It was only RLDS scholars, whose work was adopted by LDS scholars, who taught the truth about Cumorah being in Southern Mexico.

3. Although he was Church Historian and a 20-year member of the Quorum of the Twelve, Joseph Fielding Smith was speaking as a man and also misled the Church when he denounced the two-Cumorahs theory. He continued to mislead the Church when he repeated his warning about the two-Cumorahs theory when he was President of the Quorum of the Twelve.

4. Members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve who, in General Conference addresses, identified the New York hill as the site of the final battles of the Nephites and Jaredites were also misleading the Church.

5. Joseph Smith merely speculated about Book of Mormon geography. He changed his mind later in life and relied on scholars to figure out where the events took place. In D&C 128 he was referring to an unknown hill in Mexico.

6. D&C 28, 30, and 32 reflect a quaint folk belief among early Church members that the Indians were Lamanites. The real Lamanites are in Central America.

I could go on, but you get the picture.

All of this leads to my title, taken from Jacob 6.

8. Behold, will ye reject these words? Will ye reject the words of the prophets...

12 O be wise; what can I say more?