long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Monday, May 27, 2019

Memorial Day 2019

The Hill Cumorah is the ultimate war memorial. It is the site of the final battles of the Jaredites and the Nephites.

As a military veteran myself, I pause to remember all those who have served in the military, both those alive today and those who have passed on.

As a blogger here, I pause to remember all those who have participated in the discussion about the Hill Cumorah, including those who have spoken, written or taught about the location of Cumorah, both those alive today and those who have passed on.

Below is a list of some of those involved, grouped by where they taught the real Cumorah of Mormon 6:6 is located. Their credentials are indicated. 

western New York
southern Mexico (M2C)
Joseph Smith (President of the Church)
H. A. Stebbins (RLDS scholar)
Oliver Cowdery (President of the Church)
L. E. Hills (RLDS scholar)
David Whitmer (3 Witnesses)
David A. Palmer (LDS author)
Brigham Young (President of the Church)
John Sorenson (BYU professor)
Heber C. Kimball (First Presidency)
John W. (Jack) Welch (BYU professor)
Wilford Woodruff (President of the Church)
Dan Peterson (BYU professor)
Parley P. Pratt (Quorum of the Twelve)
Kirk Magleby (LDS author)
Orson Pratt (Quorum of the Twelve)
Brant Gardner (LDS author)
Joseph F. Smith (President of the Church)
Noel Reynolds (BYU professor)
Joseph Fielding Smith (President of the Church)
Shirley Heater (CofC author)
Anthony W. Ivins (First Presidency)
Jerry Ainsworth (LDS author)
James E. Talmage (Quorum of the Twelve)
Joseph Allen (LDS author)
LeGrand Richards (Quorum of the Twelve)
Garth Norman (LDS author)
Marion G. Romney (First Presidency)
Louis C. Midgley (BYU professor)
Mark E. Petersen (Quorum of the Twelve)
John L. Lund (LDS author)
Ezra Taft Benson, Gordon B. Hinckley, Thomas S. Monson (Presidents of the Church)
Tyler Griffin (BYU professor), Matt Roper (LDS author) and others affiliated with Book of Mormon Central

Everyone on the list is an exemplary individual, faithful, devoted, educated, well-intentioned, etc. They have made their respective positions crystal clear for everyone to see, as plain as words can be in all cases.

And there is no overlap between these two groups. They are as distinct as it gets.

Every member of the Church is free to choose which group to believe and follow when making a decision about the location of the Hill Cumorah of Mormon 6:6.

I think this table is completely fair and accurate, but I know there are some individuals in the Mexico column who object to this classification.

However, they know as well as everyone else that the teachings about Cumorah in each column of the table are specific and clear. These are facts easily found and verified.

The most common rationalization among those in the Mexico column is that the people in the New York column were merely stating their opinions as men.

Everyone is welcome to accept that interpretation.

Of course, that interpretation would apply to anything the prophets teach that one wants to reject.

Some of those in the Mexico column have persuaded themselves that the New York Cumorah is inconsistent with a Mesoamerican setting for most of the events in the Book of Mormon, which they take as a given.

But we all see the logical fallacy there.

The Mesoamerican setting is a mere assumption, based on a subjective interpretation of the text designed to fit the assumption. It's pure circular reasoning.

And, everyone is welcome to accept logical fallacies, including circular reasoning.

But at the same time, everyone is welcome to accept the teachings of the prophets.

No one is bound by the teachings of the intellectuals, except those who don't know what the prophets have taught.

Which students at CES and BYU never learn.

But they can learn it here:


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