long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Friday, July 12, 2019

M2C at Church history sites

It's awesome to see how M2C has affected Church history sites.

Their site guides require the site missionaries to tell people that it was Moroni who showed the plates of Nephi to Mary Whitmer, a patently false story concocted by Mary Whitmer's grandson and favored by M2C intellectuals (and revisionist Church historians) who don't want people to know about the New York Cumorah. [I discuss this below.]

Visitors to the Hill Cumorah Visitors Center in New York never hear what the prophets have taught about the New York Cumorah. To learn about that, they have to visit the Oliver Cowdery Memorial, located one mile north of the Hill Cumorah, or the memorial in downtown Palmyra.

When visitors ask about Letter VII and/or the teachings of the other prophets about the New York Cumorah, the site missionaries tell them that Willard Bean believed the New York Cumorah was the scene of the final battles of the Nephites, but he was wrong about a lot of things. They don't tell visitors about Letter VII, or what the following people said about the New York Cumorah: Lucy Mack Smith, Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, Heber C. Kimball, James E. Talmage, President Ivins, President Romney, etc.

Anyone who visits Palmyra should ask the missionaries about this and see for yourselves. It's pretty sad. I've been told that even seminary teachers don't know that Cumorah = Ramah, and they'll never learn that by visiting the Church historical sites.

Worse than not telling people what the prophets have taught is teaching them M2C, right at the Hill Cumorah Visitors Center in New York. In the rotunda, they feature this beauty:

Christ asks for the records: 3 Nephi 23
This is a spectacular painting, to be sure, but it isn't even pretending to be "neutral" about Book of Mormon geography.

This painting is an illustration of 3 Nephi 23, when the Lord visited the Nephites and asked about their records.

It's a full-blown Mayan setting. And it's in the Hill Cumorah visitors center in New York.

As well as in the Mesa temple and other sites.

If you know anyone who doesn't believe they're teaching M2C, please review this post:


The following is reposted from https://bookofmormonwars.blogspot.com/2019/07/2019-cumorah-pageant-part-2.html

I've uploaded another video about the Hill Cumorah Pageant.


Turtle Island (North America)
In this video, we visit the Skanonh Great Law of Peace Center in Liverpool, NY (outside of Syracuse). The guide discusses the creation story, including the formation of Turtle Island which is North America. We can compare this to 2 Ne. 10:20: we have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea.

Some people are confused by that, concluding that Lehi's promised land must be an island. There are several ways to interpret/understand this passage, but the Native American concept of Turtle Island fits pretty well.

Port Byron
Next we pass through Port Byron, where Brigham Young lived for a while. The town has a historical marker to that effect.

The house where some believe he lived is still standing, as we see in the video.

Peter Whitmer cabin
After that, we visit the Peter Whitmer farm where Joseph and Oliver translated the plates of Nephi that Joseph received from the messenger who brought them from the Hill Cumorah.

Finally, we end up at the first night of pageant (dress rehearsal). There were some great protesters outside. You can see them on the video. There were around 5,000 people, which is a big crowd for the rehearsal. Unfortunately, it rained pretty hard, but I didn't get that in the video.


The reconstructed cabin in the video was long thought to be built on the original foundation of the Whitmer home. This was always a little problematic because the cabin had only two small bedrooms upstairs, one of which Joseph and Oliver used to translate the plates of Nephi.

In the last year or so, Church archaeologists have found evidence of more buildings on the property. It now appears that the Whitmer home was a double cabin, twice as large as the one that was rebuilt that we walk to in the video. It's not yet clear which building(s) were the Whitmer home, but the current cabin always seemed a little small for all the events that took place there, including the organization of the Church in 1830.

This is also the home in which David Whitmer described people sitting around the table when Joseph demonstrated how he translated the plates by putting a stone in a hat and reading off words. That's much different than the actual translation, of course, for which Joseph used the Urim and Thummim and the actual plates.

Mary Whitmer and the plates
The messenger was
"Brother Nephi,"
not Moroni.
BTW, the missionaries are telling everyone the phony story of Moroni showing Mary Whitmer the plates. Mary did see the plates, but it wasn't Moroni who showed them to her. The M2C intellectuals want you to think it was Moroni because they don't want people to know about the Hill Cumorah in New York.

According to Mary, it was "Brother Nephi," one of the 3 Nephites, who showed her the plates. David said it was the same person who took the Harmony plates to Cumorah.

The phony story about Moroni was invented by Mary's grandson, but Church historians and M2C intellectuals liked it better so they incorporated it into the Saints and now we have everyone in the Church learning false history, all because the M2C intellectuals don't want people to even know about the New York Cumorah.


I've explained all of this here




and here


Have a great day! 

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