long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Monday, October 6, 2025

Why we discuss M2C

Sometimes people ask why we continue to discuss M2C when everyone can see it is evaporating as more and more Latter-day Saints learn what the prophets have taught about the New York Cumorah/Ramah and all the corroborating evidence.

Although the end of M2C is coming, there are plenty of hold outs.

We thought it would be obvious to Latter-day Saints that there was no reason to reject the teachings of the prophets in the first place, but there was a lot of inertia because the M2Cers have had a few decades to promote their theories, to the point where most Latter-day Saints lost the knowledge about Cumorah, just as Brigham Young feared in 1877.

This sign from Macrohard kind of explains what is going on.




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