long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Friday, October 3, 2025

Dirkmaat and crew: "Joseph didn't say much..."

Another fun part of the "Informed Saints" video about the translation of the Book of Mormon is where they 

(i) admit people hear what they're expecting

(ii) claim Joseph didn't say "a while lot about" the translation

(iii) misquote what Joseph actually did say.

It's incredible that any informed Latter-day Saint believes what these scholars (and they're all awesome, faithful Latter-day Saints with good intentions) have to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAx1CVPlc0

Look at these excerpts.

people hear sometimes what they're

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expecting. 

This is a good description of confirmation bias, and this entire video is a prime example of confirmation bias. The people on this panel are either in denial or are oblivious to the reality that they are so obsessed with promoting SITH that they misquote, omit and mislead throughout.

And so, so we we try to get to what the actual sources say.

If only they would!

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In this case, with the translation of the Book of Mormon, our best primary source, our closest primary source, Joseph Smith,

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doesn't say a whole lot about it.

But what Joseph did say completely contradicts the SITH narrative, so Dirkmaat and crew do not quote or explain what Joseph Smith said. Instead, they ignore what Joseph wrote and instead misquote him, as here.

Now he he does in Joseph Smith history explain

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you know what the the that the angel tells him right from the beginning that God has prepared two stones

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That are going to be used in the translation uh that the that those stones are you know what constituted seers in ancient times.

They simply cannot quote Joseph referring to the Urim and Thummim. Compare that misleading paraphrase to what Joseph actually explained:

Joseph Smith History 1:35 Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates; and the possession and use of these stones were what constituted “seers” in ancient or former times; and that God had prepared them for the purpose of translating the book. . . .

JS-H 1:42 Again, he told me, that when I got those plates of which he had spoken—for the time that they should be obtained was not yet fulfilled—I should not show them to any person; neither the breastplate with the Urim and Thummim; only to those to whom I should be commanded to show them; if I did I should be destroyed. 

For more, see https://www.mobom.org/translation-references



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