long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Monday, May 25, 2026

Brant Gardner legacy

This is cross posted at the Letter VII blog. https://www.lettervii.com/

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I've said many times that Brant Gardner is my favorite M2Cer. Not only because he's such a nice guy and a diligent scholar, but because he's so persistent.

Over the years, I've commented on his various writings and podcasts. He recently released another podcast with the usual suspects, all of whom are awesome, faithful Latter-day Saints who are committed to both M2C and SITH. They repeated the same arguments they've been making for decades.


We'll go through the transcript in another post.

But based on the comments, these things are "new" to many viewers. Kind of like the "new" Baja theory that has been around for decades. New generations see all things new.

It's all good. Readers here know how much I encourage multiple working hypotheses. 

But the pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding, which leads to no more contention, requires us to all focus on clarity. To do so, we can use the FAITH model that starts with Facts and then clearly identifies Assumptions, Inferences and Theories that lead to the final Hypothesis. 

All the points Brant and the others raise in this latest video have been addressed many times in the past, but they won't tell their viewers that.

So with that in mind, let's look at previous posts about Brant's work. Versions of these are in my upcoming book on LDS apologists.

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https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2023/03/most-people-would-go-with-heartland.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2025/05/brant-gardner-m2c-and-occams-razon.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/08/oliver-cowdery-and-brant-gardner.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/04/brant-gardners-heartland-versus.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/07/brants-part-13.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/04/the-heartland-versus-mesoamerica-part-2.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2025/07/ever-learning-shiz-m2c-etc.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2022/11/progress-on-geography-issue.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/08/review-of-brant-gardner-traditions-of.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2024/12/thank-you-brant-gardner.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/03/peer-review-of-brant-gardner-trying-to.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/07/brant-gardner-on-cumorah.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2023/08/more-on-brant-gardner-who-is-awesome.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2014/12/directions-in-book-of-mormon.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/07/traditions-of-fathers-book-of-mormon-as.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/06/war-of-words-comments.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2023/08/epic-interview-with-brant-gardner-on.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/10/brant-gardner-objection-to-north.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/05/the-book-of-mormon-translation-puzzle.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/09/how-mesoamericanists-obscure-facts.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/07/interpreter-review-of-mormon-codex.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2025/01/thank-you-brant-gardner-again.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2025/04/the-end-of-m2c-part-1.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2025/04/the-end-of-m2c-part-2.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/08/we-are-far-beyond-worrying-about-little.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2015/09/why-mesoamericanists-obscure-facts.html

https://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2022/04/m2c-citation-cartel-hanna-seriac-and.html

https://www.lettervii.com/2025/07/ocean-currents-and-settings.html

https://www.lettervii.com/2018/03/david-whitmer-and-cumorah.html

https://www.lettervii.com/2024/12/split-personalities-interpretations-of.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/04/the-heartland-versus-mesoamerica-part-2.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2015/10/gardner-reviewing-wunderli.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/07/dan-and-m2c-blowin-in-wind.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2024/12/review-of-brant-gardners-review-of-by.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/01/peer-review-of-brant-gardners-latest.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2015/08/interpreters-review-of-mormons-codex.html

https://interpreterpeerreviews.blogspot.com/2025/04/brant-gardner-part-2-elicits-strange.html


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